Wednesday, May 18, 2011

Rights Or Wrongs

Ok so I think I told you guys I was out last Saturday.  One topic that came up was some guys talking about gay rights (apparently this is a hot topic on the floor in Albany).  So let me ask something.  I get that bible carriers don't approve of gay sex because they think the only reason your supposed to have sex is to procreate.  So my question is, does that mean these guys don't JO?  I mean its not like their right hand is gonna get pregnant right?

44 comments:

  1. I can't speak for them, but I believe any sex not resulting in procreation is a no no. Btw, that isn't just Christians. Muslims. Hindu, all have narrow view points on this. But it is absolute bullshit that they don't JO regardless of what they profess. Horniness is a biological impulse and there isn't a man I've met in my life who doesn't somehow rationalize their biological needs into action -- alone or with someone else.

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  2. If they don't jerk off that perhaps explains why they're so uptight. If I don't release in the morning my whole day is off.

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  3. OMG YOU HAVE THE BEST PICS ON THE WEB!!!!!!!!!

    Your friend,
    Nathan

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  4. I was raised Southern Baptist. Homosexuality was never even mentioned. I go to college in Pennsylvania and its been a 3-year Boys Gone Wild episode. During break I go out with my old friends but when I'm home most of my time is spent exactly like the guy in the pic.

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  5. Whoever occupies the top bunk is one very lucky young man!

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  6. Since you asked...
    The Catholic Church teaches that the deliberate use of the sexual faculty outside marriage is essentially contrary to its primary purpose of procreation and unification of the husband and wife within the sacrament of marriage. In addition, the Church teaches that all other sexual activity—including masturbation, homosexual acts, acts of sodomy, all sex outside of or before marriage (fornication), and the use of any form of contraception or birth control— is gravely disordered, as it frustrates the natural order, purpose, and ends of sexuality.
    This fundamental teaching was underscored in Pope Paul VI's 1975 encyclical "Persona Humana" which states:
    “Masturbation is an intrinsically and seriously disordered act... The deliberate use of the sexual faculty outside normal conjugal relations essentially contradicts the finality of the faculty. For it lacks the sexual relationship called for by the moral order, namely the relationship which realizes ‘the full sense of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love’. All deliberate exercise of sexuality must be reserved to this regular relationship.”
    Cheers!

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  7. to put it another way scott...we're screwed!

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  8. In my journey of life. I have heard many speak of doctrine. I don't remember one of them speaking of their inner needs of life, or their inner desires with another, or the rights of those inner desires. I guess that we are left to explore.
    Give me your tired and your weary.

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  9. hmmmmm, that's a good question Scott, but so easy to answer.....

    If your a man, 99%.999999, "chokes the chicken, so I don't care if there Bible Thumpers or not, they pull their pud, maybe not as often as the usual Joe, but if they have testosterone in their bodies, they have to let the jizz fly, if gf or wifey-poo is not around, so they can make a little one

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  10. hey rugby sounds liike paul wd b pretty much zero fun at a party lol

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  11. I care not whether he's looking at men, women, or a term paper. There's nothing more beautiful than seeing a young man bare naked in his natural habitat, enjoying his freedom, his skin, his youth, and his penis.

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  12. Amen, to the above comment.
    One of the sad things that I think of is, young men don't realize how beautiful they are.

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  13. Anon@10:11----have you ever heard the old saying "Youth is wasted on the young." I have no idea who originally said it, but it's SO true....

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  14. While it is true that the Roman Catholic church has stated over and over that sex is ONLY for procreation, it is inaccurate to portray every Christian in that light. If it were, the birth control industry would be in a world of harm and that is not the case. Good religious men also poop and pass gas....bodily functions know no creed.

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  15. Youth is not only wasted on the young, but this youth's ass is being wasted on that chair!

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  16. The intent of the bible beaters is to control and tell OTHER people what to do.

    It does not even occur to them that they might be "sinning," too.

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  17. and to boot.... jerking off, helps keep the prostate clean, so dudes, please "pull your puds" at least once a day, if gf, bf, wifes, husbands,(gay's that are married), are not milking it for you, and release that sticky buildup...hell let the mess fly all over the place, and possibly live longer...

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  18. Anonymous @ 10:25am: A++ That!

    As a Christian of the Anglican persuasion, I look to Scripture, Tradition and Reason to guide me. I use all three to inform how I navigate this world.

    Masturbation? Seems like a good thing on balance. I have also had conversations with several Catholic priests...Guys, they jack off too. We are all men and we all masturbate, unless we are ill.

    In the interest of full disclosure, I enjoy guy porn, especially masturbation porn; I have jacked with and for guys and I have received blow jobs. So yeah, I'm a sinner too.
    Celt

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  19. I grew up catholic, so I had the guilt of sinning every time I got an erection and dealt with it through masturbation. Now I've gotten over that, and have no concern what the pope's stance is on anything. I've also gotten over the guilt, which is something that not even religious doctrine has much effect on when your young and stupid.

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  20. Oh, Scott - you are funny, man! OF COURSE they jerk off. Don't let the holier-than-thou bullshit fool you.

    Hey Rugby! - Does that mean the Catholic Church does not condone fertility treatments either? 'Cause those don't follow the "natural order." How about In Vitro? That requires jacking off into a cup. How about embryo implantation for surrogate parenthood?

    So much contradictory crap gets plied from the (bully) pulpits of organized religion...

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  21. Such a hot pic man!

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  22. religion is bullshit

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  23. All religion is a social construct and contract between human kind. It is a means of creating order. All religions do more or less to teach right from wrong within the constraints of any culture. Taken to an extreme in any form you return to chaos. Focused on something other than yourself, it's a superb way of leading you forward in life.

    What does that have to do with jacking off?

    Moderation in all things. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Seems like an invitation to me. Being kind to your dick (and his) should count.

    If you believe in God then you should also believe that God made us as sexual beings. Sex is not the problem. Behavior is the problem. For instance a certain Frenchman in NY - he has a problem with sex. He should not be allowed to fertilize a shit pile.

    Everything in moderation. Everything in its proper time and place. Care for others as you would care for yourself.

    Secularism is also bullshit. A smart person knows the dangers at both ends of the spectrum.

    Personally I find a good wank is a pretty straightforward way to find a little balance in life.

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  24. Wow, this is a hard one(no pun intended) I am a Christian. As such, I am called to walk as Christ walk, I am called to follow Gods rules in the Bible. But here I am on this site. It's a great site for discussions like this one. I am also married, but have always known an attraction for men since I played around with a cousin before puberty. There is not much I haven't done with a man, and haven't thoroughly enjoyed and felt satisfied, physically and emotionally. All of that prior to me accepting Christ as my Savior.
    The Bible says that it is a sin to lay with a man as a woman, and that masturbation is a sin. Even though I know I am forgiven through the Blood of Christ for my sinful acts, I still have a guilt, because I am not walking as Christ walked. There is a deep physical and emotional need within me to view, fantasize about other men.
    The masturbation is a result of a true physical need for sexual release.

    I know a few things for sure:
    I am a child of God and as such he made me the way I am.
    My sins are forgiven, because Christ is my savior.
    I was made this way, God made me this way. It wasn't something I made up in my head and one day decided I needed to play with other men just for grins, or something to do.
    The only thing that I truly struggle with is that there is no way, I should be participating in porn.It's fun, its captivating, but it is wrong.
    Sorry for the pulpit speech, but it just seemed like the right time and place to share those thoughts.
    Thanks
    J

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  25. I take exception with anyone that tells me I must follow the teaching of the Bible to the letter of the law. When anyone suggests that I am wrong for being attracted to men, or for jerking off etc. I ask them if they are wearing underwear with an elastic waistband. When they answer that they are I point out that the penalty prescribed in the Bible for wearing clothing of different fibers in one garment is stonning. There is also something in there about taking the plank out of your own eye before you attempt to take the splinter out of your brother's.

    Spiritual not Religious

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  26. Please don't interpret my comments as casting any stones, I was talking about my struggle only.
    I truly feel more gay than hetero, but I made a choice to marry a wonderful woman, so these are my struggles, not judgements.
    J

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  27. J,
    You have more company than you will ever know!
    Celt

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  28. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8OZsJokBB0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
    This is just showing how gays do gay rights and how antigays are idiots

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  29. J @ 3:51 I do not take it that you are casting stones and regret that I came across that way with my post. I too am married (28 years this year) to a wonderful woman and I am gay. In a broad sense my comment was me venting about those who are unwilling to accept that others get something different from the Bible than they do AND condemn them! By all means follow the intent of the Bible and other religious texts and accept that they were written at a particular place and time in a particular context. The time place and context have changed. I believe that spirituality evolves while remaining true to some basic truths such as love one another. Enjoy your spiritual journey and search but don't get too hung up on the religious aspects.

    And by the way my wife, children and oldest grand-daughter all know that I am gay and are fine with it. I do not claim my life to be "normal" or "ordinary" but it works for us.

    Scott, it takes a lot of guts to openly exlore as you are. I applaud you for the openness.

    Spiritual not Religoius

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  30. Maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger should have gone to church more! (and his housekeeper, too...)
    Artful1

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  31. Spiritual and not Religious 2 4:17
    Thanks for the clarification.
    My wife knows I have participated in gay sex,I did something dumb and caught a std. We have beeen married 33 years. But my kids don't know. She is the one that ultimately lead me to Christ.
    The other thing that I give a lot of thought to is that there was some amount of the population that were having gay sex "In the beginning" or there would not have been a rule for it. I think that all stems around procreation.
    Thanks Scott for the forum to have these discussions.
    J

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  32. Hell, even Ex president Jimmy Carter lusted in his heart, now who he lusted after or where he "jerked his meat", that he never told us... that a boy Jimmy "pulling the peanut"...

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  33. GAYS get this sooooooo wrong.... Bible THUMPERS ONLY GIVE A SHIT because they love their fellow man (turn the other cheek etc etc)... and ACTUALLY GIVE A SHIT WHETHER YOU GO TO HEAVEN OR NOT

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  34. Personally, I cannot remember a gay guy knocking a straight society. Needless to say, I have heard straight society kicking the gay community. Today, we are hearing from that in between community, those who are bi. I admire you, all of you. I am a nobody, just a guy who likes to learn. It has to take a lot for a bi guy to get out there and share his feelings. God only knows what you have gone through. I now wonder if God wanted the bi's to be the mediators of society. It's just a thought, and a good one. I can't imagine an Almighty hating. I can't imagine an Almighty hating a bi or a gay. Not at all. Look at all the goodness that you have done. If you have done good for others, then you have done God's work. If by chance, you don't believe in God and you have done good for others, then, you have done something good. Accept it as goodness. Rejoice in that goodness.
    I have learned from you and I thank you.

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  35. I'm not Catholic, so I'm not going to defend the pronouncements of the pope here. Indeed, I view the requirement for priestly celibacy as apostate and a gross violation of the first commandment in time (see below).

    Sin comes in a spectrum of seriousness, from tiny miscues all the way to murder.

    While all those who respect God decry murder and other indisputable sins, short of those there is room for debate as to what is forbidden and how strictly it's forbidden. And short of the prophets themselves, few on either side are necessarily dealing with complete knowledge of how God views these things.

    E.g., probably most Christians and Jews are not aware that the Hebrew word usually translated as "man" in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 is not the normal word for man ("ish"), but rather is "zakhar."

    You can read more about this in various places such as Bruce Gerig's essay at http://epistle.us/hbarticles/leviticus4.html. I'll extract the essence:

    "The more precise meaning of "sacred male" (zakhar) in Lev 18:22/20:13 turn[s] out to be a generalized reference (or sexual euphemism) for the male cult prostitute in Canaan, who sold his sexual services to worshippers of Baal to raise money for their pagan sanctuaries."

    Thus, Mr. Gerig argues that what appears to be an incredibly severe proscription on homosexual conduct was actually only aimed at forbidding Israeli men from having anal sex with the male temple prostitutes of the cult of the indigenous "god" Baal. (Other scholars, obviously, disagree, and read "zakhar" more broadly in the cited scriptures.)

    Also, people often get confused over various prohibitions set forth in the Torah, assuming that Christians are bound to observe all of them. However, many of these pointed toward the supreme atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and were then superseded (for example, the dietary laws which God overrode in the revelation to the Apostle Peter recorded in Acts 10:13.

    That said -- and this isn't going to make me popular on this blog -- I believe that the overall teaching of the Judeo-Christian scriptures is that the primary purpose of sex is procreation, as exemplified by the story (or allegory if you will) of Adam and Eve. The first commandment given to them and their posterity -- "be fruitful and multiply" -- has never been repealed. Much as a man may crave intimacy with another man, he has an overriding duty to marry and have children. Whatever takes him away from that path is wrong, to one degree or another.

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  36. If anyone thinks that the experience of ejaculation doesn't drive one up the wall, let me know. It is the most awesome experience that I have had sexually, other that someone doing me, and I just flow with my sweet juice. It is just beautiful. If anyone disagrees, let us hear from you.

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  37. How many of the BI-GAY guys in the above Comments, have told their wives that they were gay, or bi?
    And are you still married if you did. I told
    wife, and I have been living in HELL.

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  38. There are lots of Christians involved with this struggle and it is up to each one individually to find his own answer. I am blessed to see so many men displaying their honesty here but I am REALLY annoyed that so many gay men seem to think that Religion is their personal bash puppet. You would think they would know better. j you are a goo =d man. Mike...good food for thought. Anon at 5:57.....THAT IS RIGHT. CHRISTIANS DO GIVE A DAMN ABOUT OTHER SOULS......which cannot be said for many people. Present company included.

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  39. If God did not want us pulling our puds, he should have given male urges only when it was time to conceive a child.....

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  40. 12.30 a.m
    Ride on.
    The road to understanding is a difficult road to journey, but it is better than the alternative.

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  41. Some amazing and thoughtful comments. My take away is that there are Christian men who have same sex attraction and we wonder what place this holds in our spiritual lives. It calls into question our understanding of God and of who we are as men. And, we have compromised our families and ourselves.

    It is a very special wife who can accept the range of sexuality in her her husband. Such a man has been blessed beyond measure.
    Celt

    Celt

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  42. hell if I don't bust a nut at least once a day I can't think "straight" and my boss gets mad as hell at me.. sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you fell like two..

    AH, hell now I want an Almond Joy and a Mounds bar, anyone around that I can titie fuck...and then someone tea bag me please.. and not talking Lipton Ice tea bags..

    maybe I am going to purgatory because I like men and women..

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  43. Radical Joe -- Very sorry about your wife's reaction to your truth. I haven't told my wife, because she would probably react the same way. I think many women tend to take it personally, as if your being attracted to guys is a reflection on them. Probably it helps that I have never actually DONE anything with a man -- so it's not as though there's any conduct going on that could result in her getting an STD or such. But in your case I would like to think of some way in which you could change the current hellish situation into something better. Maybe if she understood that (imho) at least half the male population has experienced attraction to other men, even though most of us will not admit it publicly. (A study at Oxford Univ. a year or two ago, using a fairly uninhibited set of subjects, confirmed this -- and even in the Oxford study no doubt some of the respondents were staying fully closeted.)

    Men and women like more or less the same food. Their senses of sight and hearing are virtually the same. Most women have a slightly more acute sense of smell than the average man, but qualitatively men and women tend to like the same fragrances and detest the same stinks. Why should the sexual sense be like night and day between the two sexes?

    Every piece of sexual equipment that a man has is echoed in the female genitalia, and vice versa. We're different, but not different species. Thus it's we shouldn't expect men's central nervous systems to react to another human being on a sexual level in a fashion totally differently from how a woman would react, merely because the focus of the potential attraction lacks a Y chromosome, or not.

    In short, you're no different from the rest of us, except that you simply shared your deepest secret with the one who is supposed to be your soul mate. I can think of 50 worse things that a wife could get upset over.

    If you're not acting out on your extra-marital sexual impulses, your wife should cut you some slack. I would even suggest that if she has ejected you from the marital bed over this issue, then she's guilty of a violation of her own marriage vows that is more serious than your SSA. Because that kind of measure is a major step toward the breakup of a family. If nothing else, it pushes you in the direction of finding sex somewhere else... and that makes a revitalization of the marriage all the more difficult, if not impossible.

    You deserve points for honesty. I hope that your wife will come to understand that, and rekindle the love that you once enjoyed.

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  44. Mike,
    You seem like a very reasonable and compassionate guy. Thank you for your wise counsel.

    And I agree, most women would not want to know that their husbands think about other guys. Ask any guy who has been busted looking at internet porn.Getting busted for looking at guy porn just makes an awkward situation even more awkward.

    I feel you you Radical Joe. Hang in there.

    I think for many of us here, the underlying issue is determining what is an appropriate outlet for the feelings Scott so perfectly conveys on this blog. I am willing to bet, whatever the answer, most of us would not want our wives to know. It is just the nature of things I guess. I sort of rationalize that its the part of me that is just about me and I keep it separate from the other parts of me.

    But that is just how it works for me at this particular time.
    Celt

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